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who her running mate will be. we'll break down where the race stands this morning. also ahead an update on the markets following yesterday's global sell-off. and we'll bring you the latest on the diplomatic efforts by the biden administration to ease tensions between israel and iran. good morning. and welcome to "way too early" on this tuesday, august 6th. i'm jonathan lemire. thank you for starting your day with us. vice president kamala harris is now officially the democratic party's nominee for president. the democratic national committee says harris won support from 99% of the more than 4,000 delegates who cast ballots during the five-day virtual roll call. democrats held an early virtual vote in order to avoid any potential legal issues with

ballot deadlines. delegates will hold a ceremonial vote in person at the democratic national convention in chicago, which kicks off on august 19th, two weeks away. the results from the virtual roll call will be certified by the secretary of the dnc before harris and her soon to be announced running mate can officially accept the nomination. and the vice president will announce her running mate for the ticket at some point today. nbc news reports the finalists still include senator mark kelly and transportation secretary pete buttigieg as well as governors andy beshear, jb pritzker, josh shapiro, and tim walz. while buttigieg is still in the running it's worth noting the transportation secretary is scheduled to be in maine today and tomorrow as part of his cabinet role. shapiro for his part had what seemed to be a pretty normal day yesterday, including at one point playing basketball with one of his sons and is set to

appear with harris today at this philadelphia rally regardless if he's named her running mate. as you can see here, reporters camped outside their home. the dogs looking on as they were hooping it up. meanwhile, walz appeared at a fund-raiser in minnesota where reporters say he made a veiled reference to the vp slot. he said, quote, all you know you don't wake up as a schoolteacher angry about something and figure out how to get eclected to-class and become the governor. the new democratic ticket will appear at a campaign rally this evening in philadelphia before embarking on a swing state tour this week. again, we believe we'll hear harris' choice likely from video released from the campaign likely mid-morning late afternoon. another key top headline this morning, one sure to impact the

presidential race, the markets. and they are rebounding this morning after yesterday's massive global sell-off. the dow dropped more than 1,000 points and the s&p lost 3%, the worst session since september of 2022 for both indexes. the sell-off started in japan with its market posting the worst day since 1987. that then had a ripple effect around the globe. also in play was friday's disappointing jobs report and concerns the federal reserve is waiting too long to cut interest rates, sparking fears that the fed's inaction could tip the economy into a recession. all those worries, well, they might be short live said as a futures board right now shows all three indexes posting substantial gains. we will, of course, get more insight on the markets a little later this hour from our friends at cnbc. for his part, trump was quick to seize on yesterday's stock market losses and to try to blame them on vice president harris. in a series of social media

posts and then later in a quickly released campaign ad, trump branded the melt down the, quote, kamala crash. he also claimed that the country is heading into world war 3 and another great depression all this year alone. in a statement responding to those attacks, a harris campaign spokesperson wrote in part this, what middle class family need is steady economic stewardship. donald trump had the worst jobs record of any modern president and oversaw some of the worst days in the stock market in history while spending his presidency lining the pockets of his wealthy friends who shipped american jobs overseas. now, despite blaming kamala harris' for yesterday's stock market plunge trump has spent the better part of the last three years taking credit for wall street gains made. >> the donald trump thing in the

market amazes me. when it's up it's all because of him and looking forward to him. when they're down it's all because of the democrats and how horrific they are. yet some of our biggest point fall offs, three of the biggest of the top ten occurred during his administration. a lot of those were in the covid years, i get that. but you either own the markets or you don't. it does confuse me. i keep a very, very close look at all the records here. some analysts said otherwise. three big ones -- the three biggest among them in the history of the markets occurred during the trump administration. not alone him but it did occur under his watch. >> cavuto again supplying a fact check on fox. joining us here white house reporter for the associated press darlene superville. good to see you. the economy is a major issue in any presidential election, this one in particular. despite gains the white house put out, it did seem like for

president biden it was going to be an obstacle. americans didn't feel great about the economy. now vice president harris is atop the ticket. certainly there were worries yesterday with the stock market project could that lead to fears of a recession sparked. those have been mitigated at least somewhat this morning. but let's talk about her team can talk about the economy going forward. >> well, as you say the economy is top issue, and it's something that the vice president is going to have to figure out how to -- how to deal with what's happening with the economy. you mentioned the stock market, and, you know, the decline and it's rebounding, but former president trump is going to try to blame the vice president for anything that goes wrong with the economy, whether or not she had a hand in it or not. so that's one thing that, i guess, once they get over naming the vice presidential pick, will be one of the issues she'll have to figure out how to respond to this. >> start talking about, right?

>> yes. >> let's turn to tat. it's coming today. as noted the biden -- i'm sorry, the harris team has not ruled anybody out. we listed six or seven names in the running. but there seems to be a clear top two or three now. governor shapiro of pennsylvania, governor walz of minnesota. at the top of the list senator kelly perhaps running a third. what's the latest you've heard as to what the vice president is looking for in a running mate? >> the latest that we've heard is what we heard after she was -- after she became the -- after president biden stepped aside and endorsed her, that she wants a governing partner, she wants somebody to share the responsibilities of running the government with. she also wants someone that she has chemistry with, good relationship with, someone she can go back and forth with, chew over the issues with, that sort of thing. so a lot of it will come down to chemistry, but a lot of it also

will come down to where choosing someone that she thinks obviously will help her in this campaign she's on right now to become president. >> and how much of a priority do we think geography is? a lot of people have pointed to shapiro, that he's the governor of pennsylvania, he has high approval ratings in that state. a democratic candidate kind of has to win pennsylvania in order to get to 270. walz less of a swing state. the tluchl team has made noise about putting him into play. he's from the upper midwest and wisconsin and michigan, and hesomes to play well in those key battlegrounds as well. >> if you listen to what president trump said last week people don't vote for the vice president. they vote on the basis who the presidential candidate is. so while there is some school of thought that you need some geographical balance in the final analysis, it probably doesn't matter all that much.

>> of course the number one rule of a running mate, do no harm, but of course j.d. vance, trump's pick has done much more than that. thank you for starting us off today. white house reporter for the associated press, darlene superville, good to see you. next up here in arizona's fake electors case a former attorney for donald trump has flipped and will now help state prosecutors. what that could mean for some of the former president's other allies. plus, after congratulating vladimir putin for last week's prisoner exchange, trump's now praising another autocrat. those stories and a check on sports and weather when we come right back.

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welcome back. we'll turn now to some of the morning's other top headlines. jenna ellis, a former donald trump attorney and one of the 18

defendants in the arizona fake electors 2020 case is now cooperating with the prosecution. ellis signed the cooperation agreement yesterday morning, which said prosecutors are dropping the nine felony charges against her in exchange for her testimony. in a statement arizona's attorney general said that this agreement represents a significant step forward in the case. last year ellis pleaded guilty in the georgia election case and was sentenced to five years of probation and $5,000 in restitution. take a look. >> is it your decision to waive these rights and enter a guilty plea because you are in fact guilty? >> it is. what i did not do but should have done, your honor, is make sure the facts the other lawyers allege to be true were in fact true. i value and believe in election integrity. if i knew then what i know now i would have declined to represent donald trump in these post election challenges. i look back on this whole experience with deep remorse.

in other legal news the supreme court has rejected a long shot bid to halt former president trump's sentencing and gag order in his new york hush money case. missouri's attorney general, andrew baley, a republican running for a full term this fall, tried to sue the state of new york to delay next month's proceedings. as nbc news notes, many commentators believe the filing was more of a political stunt aimed at gaining publicity rather than any sort of serious legal claim. as the attorney general wrote yesterday on social media, new york is working to hijack our national election and jail president trump. missourians absolutely have an interest in ensuring that doesn't happen and this fight is not over. trump is currently scheduled to be sentenced on september 18th. and days after congratulating russia's vladimir putin for the historic prisoner swap that brought home wrongfully imprisoned americans,

former president trump has now weighed in on venezuela. he acknowledged that president nicolas maduro is a dictator but failed to denounce him. and what many countries believe to be the ilegitimate results of the country's election late last month. trump then said venezuela has become safer by releasing its criminals into the united states before claiming he was only kidding, but then doubling down on his point. >> venezuela is right now being run by a dictator. we were enemies with venezuela. venezuela was going to go absent. they're in our country now. they've released tremendous numbers of criminals into our country. if you look atika raucous, it was known for being a very dangerous city, and now it's very safe. the next interview we'll do we'll do in venezuela because it's safer thereafter they released many of their criminals

into our cities. you know i'm kidding. >> i know. >> the reason i have to say that the fake news media knows that, too but they are so bad it's hard to believe. anyway, venezuela, their crime is down 72% because they've taken their criminal elements, which are large. it was a very dangerous place especially caracas and the different cities, and they've moved them into the united states of america. >> trump there with a right-wing streamer. the united states has recognized opposition candidate ed mundue gonzalez as the rightful leader of the country's election that took place a few days ago. still ahead we'll bring you some of the top highlights around major league baseball. and of course we'll get you caught up on the big moments for team usa in paris. live shot of the eiffel tower just now. we will be right back. r just now we will be right back. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier.

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sanchez reached on an error in the fourth inning, and then he hit one deep in the sixth inning. way out of here. a long home run for jesus sanchez. >> that was absolutely crushed, and the longest home run in major league baseball this season. a 480-foot solo shot hit last night by miami marlins outfielder jesus sanchez. what a bomber. but it was not enough to overcome the performance at the play for head start de la cruz, now the youngest cincinnati player with four extra hits in a game in more than a century that included two home runs, which makes him just the third red ever to hit 20 homers and steal 50 bases in a single season. mind you it's still august. reds beat the marlins 10-3. to oakland now and a dubious

record match last night by the woeful chicago white sox, who lost their 21st consecutive game in a 5-1 defeat against the a's. this marks the american league's longest losing streak since the baltimore orioles left 21 in a row only back in 1988. to paris now and the olympics, providing you with updates there. american simone miles captured olympic come back earning silver for her floor routine yesterday. it marks the 11th olympic medal for biles and her fourth this summer in paris. teammate jordan chiles initially appeared to finish the event in fifth place, but her score was raised following an inquiry, lifting her into third by one-tenth of a point for her very first individual olympic medal. in tahiti caroline marks

gave its first olympic suffering medal in a row. and meanwhile team usa in track and field valery allman winning gold for the discuss throw. and sam kendricks took silver after clearing 6 meters to earn a spot on the podium. united states also claimed silver after a photo finish in the triathlon mixed team relay. adding to the silver they picked up from that event in the 2020 games in tokyo. and american duo vincent hanco*ck and austin smith won silver in the inaugural mixed team skeet shooting final. it marks the fifth olympic medal for hanco*ck, four gold, one silver. and the second for smith, who also took a bronze in women's skeet. and the women's three on three basketball team ended on a high note after three straight losses to begin pool play and earned a bronze medal with a 16-13 victory over canada. the united states does continue

to lead the olympics in the overall medal count, a healthy margin. but remains tied with china for gold medals, 21 apiece. time now for the weather, and let's go to meteorologist angie lassman up there at 30 rock. angie has been keeping track of tropical storm debby. what's the latest? what can the southeast expect today? >> good morning, jonathan. the southeast is going to expect more of the same here over the next day today and next couple of days. we've still got tropical storm debby holding on with winds 45 miles per hour. batches of rain working its way into south carolina and georgia included in that as well. we saw some spots yesterday with that landfalling system. today we're looking at mostly the southeast to be -- looking at the additional rainfall. the flood alerts are up for 11 million including flash flood warnings for charleston. notice the track we're looking at. we'll notice the system work further to the east, emerge off the coast, stand over those low

waters and stall out a bit, still producing rain at this time and work its way back towards the coast, likely making secondary landfall as we get into thursday in south carolina. in the meantime 7 to 10 inches of rain for widespread areas, likely see over a foot in more spots for that. as we get into the weekend friday specifically into saturday the system works its way up the coast, impacting folks in the midatlantic and north east. so the rain will be the biggest issue for us here going forward over the next couple of days. we'll see thunderstorms over the north east today, that will leave you wet weather to contend with tuesday afternoon and evening. then we'll see that rain working its way to the north, jonathan, over the next couple of days. we are far from done with debby. >> angie lassman, thank you. and please keep us posted on that storm. coming up here on "way too early," it will be a busy, busy day for kamala harris. we'll have more on what to expect ahead of her vp

announcement, plus a look at the packed schedule ahead for harris and her to-be announced running mate. we'll be right back. e announced mate we'll be right back.

welcome back to "way too early." it's a little before 5:30 a.m. here on the east coast, 2:30 out west on this tuesday morning. i'm jonathan lemire. thank you for being with us. so after vice president kamala harris' rally with her to be announced running mate this evening, the duo will then head

off on a swing state tour. the new democratic ticket will hold a rally in oak clear, wisconsin, tomorrow where they'll be joined by the musician bon iver. the pair will then head to detroit where they'll hold a rally with united auto workers union workers. while tropdle storm debby is causing the campaign to postpone rallies in north carolina and georgia, harris and her campaign will be holding events in phoenix and las vegas on friday and saturday. meanwhile republican vice presidential nominee senator j.d. vance's schedule is mirroring that of harris and her running mate. vance will be holding rallies in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin on the same days as the democratic party will be in those states, atictic known as bracketing. president trump for now only scheduled to hold one rally this week that is friday in montana. joining us now politics reporter for semafor, dive wiegal.

let's start with vice president harris and her selection process. we are told we're going to find out at some point today. what's the latest you've heard in terms of the thinking? as the choice seems to be narrowing down between walz and shapiro. >> it has narrowed down between those two candidates. it'll be a true shock if it's anyone but those men. i've heard a little bit more from republicans recently how they'd attack either choice. with shapiro there's something issues as attorney general they might go after. even if it wasn't with walz, they'd characterize him as off to the far left as somebody who didn't handle the 2020 george floyd riots well. from democrats, it's -- from democrats themselves they're pretty satisfied with their pick. there is some worry by not choosing shapiro you're entering a news cycle why did you not

choose shapiro, was it because you were listening to the far left? >> there's concerns about israel. his stance there not that different from most of the other would be running mates. but question would be why didn't you pick with pennsylvania being so central. the first rally being just a few hours, basically 12 hours from now. but let's talk about running mates because there is a school of thought i think correct that they don't really bring that much to the ticket. people are voting for president. but along the marmgens they might, and number one is do no harm. j.d. vance at least in his rollout has seemingly done some harm to the trump ticket. it's been a tough debut for him. give us the latest as to how you perceive that's going. are republicans feeling any better about it? and their plan here to try to trail harris around the country. >> they're feeling more confident he can frame a case against either choice. he already started to do that. he was criticizing john shapiro. kind of a theatrical round of

somebody who sounded too much like barack obama when he spoke. he's ready to criticize tim walz for his role in 2020. in a few hours really, noon i think is when he speaks to reporters in philadelphia. there'll be this transition to traditional vp role of an attack dog. you heard a month ago the idea vance would be in the midwest and be popular there. i don't hear that anymore. either walz or shapiro, different parts of the region since pennsylvania is not in the midwest, both of them even republicans i talk to think those guys have more of an opening in the sort of voters in play this year that vance has defined very quickly as social conservatives and alienating ways he talks about people. if anyone can attack the vice presidential nominees he'll be good at that. >> yeah, for sure. there are a cup of primaries. give us a quick sense to look for tonight. >> the big race will be cori

bush's and spent nearly $9 million to knock her out with the st. louis county prosecuting attorney. if she survives that race it will be defeat for the forces which defeated jamal beauman in new york in june and done by emphasizing racial justice and the family of michael brown killed in ferguson ten years ago. that's really the one to watch tonight. there's republican infighting in missouri, too, with the attorney general who you talked earlier in the show running against the form donald trump attorney who can be more maga. but the one to watch can cori bush hold off this wave of money that knocked out one of her colleagues? ilhan omar has a primary next week and seems to be in much better shape. the idea you can't have the entire bench of the squad in this election is overstated. >> that's important and keep an eye on races in michigan tonight as well. please come back soon. thanks for joining us this

morning. next up here we're going to take a look how the markets are reacting after stocks fell sharply yesterday with the dow posting its worst day in nearly two years. we've got some signs of rebound. "way too early" will be right back with that. "way too early" will be right back with that

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change in mood among investors? and ultimately, though, there's only one answer to that at this stage. so going into yesterday's session there were huge concerns about a potential recession state side, perhaps the fed was being too aggressive with their monetary policy. however, yesterday's comments from fed officials suggesting they're open to cutting rates in september has actually pleased investors and essentially brought a bit of calm to the equity sessions this morning. but, of course, ultimately what wee still looking at is a lot of volatility, so let's see how wall street will actually shape up today. >> we still have a few hours until that. so this global sell-off started in japan and then went around the world. the market there having its worst day since 1987. why don't you give us the latest from tokyo. how are they doing now? >> so this morning in tokyo it's a totally different narrative. we saw a huge rebound in the main market in the nikkei 225.

it was up about 10% by the end of the session, and ultimately that's what we were witnessing here in europe. we also started the day in green here in european session. however, when you look at the performance at this moment most of the european markets have actually turned negative. so this is why i was telling you earlier that there's still a lot of volatility in the market. it's still very early to see whether this sell-off that we witnessed yesterday has actually fully dissipated. let's see what we'll actually see in the session throughout today. >> yeah, feels like an important but turbulent couple days ahead. one last but let's switch gears here. five days to go in the summer olympics. give us an update on how viewership and interest has been so far in these paris games. >> actually, there seems to be a huge change compare to what we saw in tokyo back in 20201. to give you an idea the five-day total audience delivery was 34

million viewers for the paris olympics thus far, and combining daytime and prime time coverage it's up 79% compared to 2021. now, it's worth keeping in mind that the tokyo olympics were still very much conducted under pandemic rules, so it was a different atmosphere. however, when you also think about what we have witnessed in paris the last couple of days the final of gymnastics yesterday, i couldn't keep -- stop watching it really. on top of that we have seen a lot of celebrities also employed throughout the coverage and also boosted some of the viewership numbers. >> yeah, it's been such a success for paris for nbc. i've got to say i already am sad they're winding down. it's too bad there's only a few days left. we've certainly been enjoying them. cnbc's silvia amaro live from london, thank you. we'll talk to you again tomorrow. next up here we'll tell you what secretary of state antony blinken is saying this morning about the rising tensions in the middle east and fears of wider

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welcome back. the united states is urging calm in the middle east this morning as israel braces for potential retaliation by iran in response to last month's assassinations of the hamas leader and a hezbollah commander. iran's foreign minister met in tehran yesterday with the heads of foreign and international missions and told them that iran views the killing of the hamas leader as an unjustified and illegal aggression. and a violation of the national solverenty of iran. the read out of that meeting said iran's response will be decisive. in the united states president joe biden posted this image online of his briefing in the situation room with vice president kamala harris and other national security officials saying they discussed potential steps to take if things do escalate in the region.

meanwhile, at a signing ceremony in the afternoon with australia's foreign minister, secretary of state antony blinken spoke about the efforts the u.s. is making to ease tensions and the ongoing push to reach a cease-fire deal in gaza. >> we are engaged in intense diplomacy pretty much around the clock with a very simple message. all parties must refrain from escalation. all parties must take steps to ease tensions. escalation is not in anyone's interest. it will only lead to more conflict, more violence, more insecurity. it's also critical that we break this cycle by reaching a cease-fire in gaza. that in turn will unlock possibilities for more enduring calm not only in gaza itself but in other areas where the conflict could spread.

it is urgent that all parties make the right choices in the hours and days ahead. >> there is sort of widely held belief in israel and here in washington that if iran were to retaliate it would be soon potentially in the coming days, maybe as soon as today. the question is in what manner? and now let's explore that with retired cia officer mark pamaropolous. let's start with what we're expecting from iran. when they last struck in israel back in april, there were two readings on it. on one hand it was a huge number of missiles and drones, a really significant strike that could have caused real damage, but it didn't. it was pretty well-telegraphed in advance. israel and the u.s. were able to shoot these things down. it didn't lead to really any significant injuries or damage, and the matter israel didn't

therefore escalate further. the matter was put aside. do we think something like that is in the works today as sort of a face saving response? or do we think iran is going to hit israel really hard, which may then lead israel to retaliate? >> well, jonathan, these are great questions and of course the u.s. intelligence community is laser focused on trying to figure what iran is going to do. on the ground and imagery and satellites of movement of iranian military has. and ultimately i think you're right because iran certainly in its view and even domestic considerations inside iran, needs to strike back. but at the same time they have to thread the needle and be very careful because israel is in no mood particularly after october 7th. so i think, you know, the kind of conventional wisdom you're going to see a response. it also could include iranian proxies such as hezbollah.

but, again, they don't want to do too much, which would then invite a pretty significant israeli retaliation. again, all eyes are on the intelligence community's collection. and one thing to add on that i would imagine we're sharing all the intelligence we collect with israel as well with the notion perhaps israel may need or feel the need to preempt if you see even an iranian response greater than what we think. >> the region so tense right now. we're following a suspected rocket attack on an air base in iraq believed to have injured some united states military personnel. how do you think that will factor into what comes next? >> well, the u.s. separately is probably going to have to respond. we'll have intelligence noting exactly where this attack emanated from. is it related specifically to specifically what's happening to israel, gaza, hezbollah, maybe, maybe not because these iranian proxy attacks have happened

before. it actually does go to show we still haven't solved this issue of the iranian proxies, and u.s. forced are on the front line and in danger. i would expect the u.s. response, but, again, this might be a bit separate from what's happening between israel and iran. >> and mark, lastly and briefly, it seems like we've been on the doorstep of a cease-fire deal in gaza for months. the deal, though, still not done. do you have any hope one could be struck soon? >> look, i think the -- the israeli actions, the two assassinations both in by the way beirut and tehran put the cease-fire back a bit. i think it's short-term. the u.s. is still working for c need both sides to want a cease-fire agreement. right now, it looks like both israel and hamas are not there yet. i'm glad to see secretary blinken still working on this. ultimately, this is clearly in the interest of everyone. we're just not there yet.

certainly not on the 10 yard line, which is something u.s. officials had spoken about, what, ten days, two weeks ago. >> all right. we appreciate the analysis. retired cia officer marc polymeropoulos, thank you for joining us this morning. up next here, we'll turn back to domestic politics and does trump even want to win? we'll dig into a new piece in "the washington post" that bears that headline on why the former president is attacking a popular gop governor from a key state. then coming up on "morning joe," any moment, vice president kamala harris will announce her running mate. we'll discuss her potential pick ahead of today's rally in philadelphia. plus, former house speaker nancy pelosi will join the conversation live in studio about harris's choice, her campaign, and pelosi's new book, "the art of power." she continues to wield it. "morning joe" just a few moments away.

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columnist jim geraghty has this, "does trump even want to win? ." he writes, "donald trump is three months away from a presidential election that is likely to determine whether he goes to jail for a considerable amount of time. and not even stakes that high are enough to get the republican nominee to stop publicly raging and ranting about perceived betrayals by allegedly disloyal gop officials, including georgia governor brian kemp and secretary of state brad raffensperger. maybe it's a sign trump is panicked because switching out biden for harris couldn't have gone better than the democrats. but the saturday night rally showed trump can't pryor tides anything, not even his own long-term interests, above his sense of grievance. trump had a fairly easy path to victory against biden, and beating harris is still very much within the realm of possibility. but he just doesn't seem interested in staying focused

and putting in the work. great pick, republicans. joining us now, host of the "fast politics" podcast, molly jong-fast. also an msnbc political analyst. molly, morning. let's get your take on that piece. we certainly know donald trump has self-destructive tendencies, and they were on full display at that georgia rally. kemp is popular there. with harris atop the ticket, suddenly, he's competitive again. trump potentially just did himself some damage. >> yeah, trump really needs to win georgia in order to win the presidency, and attacking the very popular republican governor is certainly not the way to do it, many people think. um, look, you know, trump won in 2016 by being trump. this, you know, sort of created a message structure in which

trump believes that running as trump is a recipe for success. i think he's sort of continued that way despite the evidence that he has technically lost in 2018, 2020, 2022. >> yeah. certainly, his campaign having real trouble adjusting to harris now atop the ticket. let's talk about the vice president and her important decision today. could come at any time. she's going to select her running mate. as i reported earlier in the show, there's a strong top two. governors walz and shapiro. others aren't eliminated but it'd be a surprise if it wasn't one of those two men. pros and cons of both. >> they're both very good choices. she had wanted a governor, which i think makes a lot of sense. she comes from the senate, so it's sort of a different side of the government. walz has got this certain kind of very charming personality,

even though he's not super old, he sort of reads as a little bit older in a way that people like. you know, he's a hunter. he was an enlisted man. he's had a lot of success, national guardsman. whereas, shapiro is just different. you know, shapiro also has very sort of personable things about him. i think that, look, you know, if the mantra is do no harm, which you talked about earlier, minnesota nice is going to go far in this campaign. i think that, you know, walz is someone -- i've interviewed him. i'm sure you've interviewed him. he is a very, very charming guy. but shapiro is, too. she can't go wrong. you know, as donald trump says, he doesn't think that the vice president is very important so -- >> shapiro has geography on his side. if picking him locks up

pennsylvania, that's a strong reason to do it. >> historically, the vice president has not necessarily delivered the state. >> very true. that needs to be kept in mind, even looking at shapiro's high approval ratings there. speaking of the harris campaign, you have a new piece on msnbc.com where you write about her slogan of, we're not going back. it's so effective. it clearly caught on really quickly. why do you think that's such a good framing? >> i don't know. you know, she's had this lightning in a bottle thing the last two weeks, which i think very few of us could have predicted. certain things happened in ways that i'm not even sure you could predict. but she's able to capture this feeling, this post roe feeling really, really well. i don't know that it was necessarily a statement that was -- you know, it may have just been -- again, i don't know, this is not my reporting -- but i get the sense it may have just been a part of her speech, but it really did catch on. i saw people saying it. i think that it really resonates.

i also think that, look, you know, roe was a reversal of rights. though there have been historically in american history reversals of rights, and i'm thinking about jim crow laws in the south, it's pretty unusual, especially in, you know, recent history. i think it was really meaningful, and i think there are still a lot of women who are voting on this incredible, you know, reversal of rights which is deep and profound. >> no doubt. we know that pro choice has been undefeated at the ballot box since the roe decision. the freedom angle is working. molly jong-fast, thank you for joining us this morning. thank you for getting up "way too early" on this tuesday morning to all of you. a jam-packed "morning joe" starts right now. i think we really need to address the fact that this perfect storm really has been circling and marinating all weekend long.

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